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	<title>Comments on: Fashionistas (and bureaucrats and journalists): Please learn to code</title>
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		<title>By: isomorphismes</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-24980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isomorphismes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish more programmers took exactly your attitude toward learn-to-code and pan-progamming-philia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish more programmers took exactly your attitude toward learn-to-code and pan-progamming-philia.</p>
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		<title>By: totes profesh&#187; Blog Archive &#187; answering the wrong question?</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[totes profesh&#187; Blog Archive &#187; answering the wrong question?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] read a blog post about how fashion designers should learn to code recently and was kind of horrified by it. To me, it&#8217;s a perfectly example of why not everyone [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] read a blog post about how fashion designers should learn to code recently and was kind of horrified by it. To me, it&#8217;s a perfectly example of why not everyone [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: to code or not to code? that is the question&#8230; &#187; weird things</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[to code or not to code? that is the question&#8230; &#187; weird things]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] tech world of the future. Some proponents of the everyone-should-learn-coding camp go as far as offering practical coding solutions for fashion photographers as part of their argument, trying to show how useful knowing code can be when you&#8217;re faced [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] tech world of the future. Some proponents of the everyone-should-learn-coding camp go as far as offering practical coding solutions for fashion photographers as part of their argument, trying to show how useful knowing code can be when you&#8217;re faced [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Your Code Is Worthless &#171; Data Miner UK</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Your Code Is Worthless &#171; Data Miner UK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 14:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Even my favourite data journalist, Dan Nguyen, joined in the fray with &#8220;Fashionistas (and bureaucrats and journalists): Please learn to code&#8220;. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Even my favourite data journalist, Dan Nguyen, joined in the fray with &#8220;Fashionistas (and bureaucrats and journalists): Please learn to code&#8220;. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Future of Content is Code &#124; Social Gratitude - Social Media Management</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Future of Content is Code &#124; Social Gratitude - Social Media Management]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 23:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] From fashion to news gathering, every industry has tasks that are repetitive or done manually, and Linchâ€™s projects aim to partially or wholly eliminate these.Â But in the hybrid role, he explains, the conceptual understanding of programming is most important. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] From fashion to news gathering, every industry has tasks that are repetitive or done manually, and Linchâ€™s projects aim to partially or wholly eliminate these.Â But in the hybrid role, he explains, the conceptual understanding of programming is most important. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Future of Content is Code</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Future of Content is Code]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 21:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] From fashion to news gathering, every industry has tasks that are repetitive or done manually, and Linch&#8217;s projects aim to partially or wholly eliminate these.Â But in the hybrid role, he explains, the conceptual understanding of programming is most important. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] From fashion to news gathering, every industry has tasks that are repetitive or done manually, and Linch&#8217;s projects aim to partially or wholly eliminate these.Â But in the hybrid role, he explains, the conceptual understanding of programming is most important. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: More on programming and fashion casting directors &#124; Dan Nguyen&#039;s blog</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More on programming and fashion casting directors &#124; Dan Nguyen&#039;s blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 22:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Fashionistas: Please Learn to Code&#8221; made it to the front of Reddit&#8217;s r/programming and got a good amount of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8220;Fashionistas: Please Learn to Code&#8221; made it to the front of Reddit&#8217;s r/programming and got a good amount of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Nguyen</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Nguyen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 13:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim B. - I&#039;m not in disagreeance with you. I just think you&#039;re a little less optimistic than me...Ideally, in a world where coding fundamentals is as common as word-processing fundamentals, you&#039;d have even managers and executives who, while not being able to run a test suite themselves, at least know the value and existence of such things. What you fear -- bad coders getting their work into production -- is a direct consequence of overall digital illiteracy. Just like [insert pop fiction author]&#039;s popularity can be said to result from poor literacy in society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim B. &#8211; I&#8217;m not in disagreeance with you. I just think you&#8217;re a little less optimistic than me&#8230;Ideally, in a world where coding fundamentals is as common as word-processing fundamentals, you&#8217;d have even managers and executives who, while not being able to run a test suite themselves, at least know the value and existence of such things. What you fear &#8212; bad coders getting their work into production &#8212; is a direct consequence of overall digital illiteracy. Just like [insert pop fiction author]&#8217;s popularity can be said to result from poor literacy in society.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 09:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t mean at all to imply that Atwood wants to keep knowledge from the masses. But I do think he vastly underestimates the gulf of conceptual grasp between a non-programmer and even a first-year programmer. &quot;&lt;/cite&gt;

Actually, you made a similar mistake. I am terrified if I think about amateurs taking this notion seriously and start producing code, for the same reasons that first-year programmers and even a plethora of people with a degree in computer science should not be allowed to write code in a lot of places - they lack the skills. I&#039;ve made my living being a computer scientist for the last 23 years, and when you look at the part of my job that is practical, I mostly learned one thing: programming is hard, and most people don&#039;t get it. I actually make a living being called in for emergency cases, fixing the mess other people made, usually in projects where time is absolutely critical. I am a &quot;programming fireman&quot; of sorts. And while a bunch of amateurs producing code would mean a completely new level of job security for me, I really don&#039;t want this to happen. Frankly, it&#039;s scary.

I am well aware that this movement is not about letting a journalist write security critical code for the new nuclear power plant that is being constructed right next to the kindergarten in your favorite suburbia, but we &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; get cases where amateurs write code that makes you question the sanity of the superiors would put them on the job in first place. What happens if people on your job start to learn about that &quot;cool new script&quot; you wrote that made the life of X so much easier and you find yourself in a position where you are asked to write more and more of that stuff, until there is a major screw up? What if there is a simple off-by-one error, and the names of all the models are shifted up or down a spot? What if someone trusted you enough to get rid of the data that allows them to do a sane mapping after that happened? I know I am making things up now, but so does everyone else in this discussion. The difference is, there are things to think about an amateur cannot know about, and this is true for every field. 

Am I eligible now to give out sound medical advice because I received well above average medical training in the past? I don&#039;t think so. Can a guy that enjoys working on his own car at weekends now substitute for the mechanic that fixes the delivery trucks at the place he works? There is a reason why people get educated and become &lt;em&gt;professionals&lt;/em&gt;.

I am all for people learning more about computers, programming and IT in general. Heck, it would make my life so much easier it would be bliss. But please, don&#039;t consider yourself a programmer then, and please don&#039;t take your creations to work, where it might actually matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>&#8220;I don&#8217;t mean at all to imply that Atwood wants to keep knowledge from the masses. But I do think he vastly underestimates the gulf of conceptual grasp between a non-programmer and even a first-year programmer. &#8220;</cite></p>
<p>Actually, you made a similar mistake. I am terrified if I think about amateurs taking this notion seriously and start producing code, for the same reasons that first-year programmers and even a plethora of people with a degree in computer science should not be allowed to write code in a lot of places &#8211; they lack the skills. I&#8217;ve made my living being a computer scientist for the last 23 years, and when you look at the part of my job that is practical, I mostly learned one thing: programming is hard, and most people don&#8217;t get it. I actually make a living being called in for emergency cases, fixing the mess other people made, usually in projects where time is absolutely critical. I am a &#8220;programming fireman&#8221; of sorts. And while a bunch of amateurs producing code would mean a completely new level of job security for me, I really don&#8217;t want this to happen. Frankly, it&#8217;s scary.</p>
<p>I am well aware that this movement is not about letting a journalist write security critical code for the new nuclear power plant that is being constructed right next to the kindergarten in your favorite suburbia, but we <b>do</b> get cases where amateurs write code that makes you question the sanity of the superiors would put them on the job in first place. What happens if people on your job start to learn about that &#8220;cool new script&#8221; you wrote that made the life of X so much easier and you find yourself in a position where you are asked to write more and more of that stuff, until there is a major screw up? What if there is a simple off-by-one error, and the names of all the models are shifted up or down a spot? What if someone trusted you enough to get rid of the data that allows them to do a sane mapping after that happened? I know I am making things up now, but so does everyone else in this discussion. The difference is, there are things to think about an amateur cannot know about, and this is true for every field. </p>
<p>Am I eligible now to give out sound medical advice because I received well above average medical training in the past? I don&#8217;t think so. Can a guy that enjoys working on his own car at weekends now substitute for the mechanic that fixes the delivery trucks at the place he works? There is a reason why people get educated and become <em>professionals</em>.</p>
<p>I am all for people learning more about computers, programming and IT in general. Heck, it would make my life so much easier it would be bliss. But please, don&#8217;t consider yourself a programmer then, and please don&#8217;t take your creations to work, where it might actually matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish</title>
		<link>https://danwin.com/2012/05/fashionistas-and-bureaucrats-and-journalists-please-learn-to-code/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an blog post I read, programming was compared to plumbing. It said that programming is just a profession like plumbing or any other profession. Anyone who reads a blog post saying &quot;Everyone should learn to code&quot; owns a computer or tablet. 
Almost no one who reads a blog post saying &quot;Everyone one should also learn to plumb if they chose to learn to program&quot; owns a wrench and other plumbing tools.
BTW what did Mike code?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an blog post I read, programming was compared to plumbing. It said that programming is just a profession like plumbing or any other profession. Anyone who reads a blog post saying &#8220;Everyone should learn to code&#8221; owns a computer or tablet.<br />
Almost no one who reads a blog post saying &#8220;Everyone one should also learn to plumb if they chose to learn to program&#8221; owns a wrench and other plumbing tools.<br />
BTW what did Mike code?</p>
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